Ill trawl through all those in that area, 39 45. 
He was temporarily released back to the family farm and joined the Home Guard. Thats pretty amazing youve gotten a chance to get to the crash site. Following a collision with Pilot-Officer Stephenson of 607 Squadron. A couple of years ago I went back for a flying visit and couldnt recognise any of it. I refuse to accept they would not have been buried without due regard, and the 4 unidentified ones were buried in Chartham the next day. Quite a few bits and pieces of chewed up metal were sold on a few auction sites a few years ago claiming to be relics from this crash. my Father has a photo of himself standing on the tail of that aircraft as well. Ian. I would love to see some pics of it. One of the photos is of a Spitfire on the ground at Kenley and another is of the bombers departing, again parallel to the Seven Sisters. WebBy: kev35 - 4th September 2008 at 11:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00 The Protection of Military remains Act clearly states that: A person contravenes this A group of US veterans is digging up a field where a bomber crashed during World War Two, killing several American crew members. However, I am not as familiar with that area as you both are, so you may rule it out immediately? Peter wanting to confirm his kill, followed after the Heinkel as it descended, and watched as the pilot struggled to regain control of his aircraft. Yes, there must have been a crowd of souvenir hunters on the first day. Have you tried Pat Burgesss Bombers over Sussex? I will dig them out and see if mention of the 410 was made. I have spoken to the daughter of the Revd Chittenden who was Rector here during and after the war, and she remembers something about some German airmen being buried here. When the pilot clambered out of the wrecked aircraft, the farmhands rushed at him with pitchforks and when he started to play with the farmers black lab, the farmers wife, Mrs Shelmerdine called the dog away. The family still have the parachute handle given to my aunt at the time. I would like to see the book you mention. So, I just started looking at the books I have and realised it would be a mammoth task for me as not all Werk numbers are identified in the entries for crashed aircraft. The original CCJS had been destroyed by firebombs and the Fire Brigade HQ was also destroyed. Being able to search for the pilot by name saved me searching through lots of books and studying maps. Fatally disabled and with no landing gear deployed the Heinkel and Spitfire passed low over the heads of spectators standing on Salisbury Street, in Shotton, Deeside. It must have belly-anded somewhere south of Winchester and was probably a prototype that flew from Supermarines at Eastleigh airport near Southampton. The other belonged to Fw Richter who could not find anyone to surrender to, having caught up in a tree as he landed. May 42; explains why I didnt see it, I only have Volumes 1 8 at present, need to update my library. The fuselage of the Dornier 17 discovered during an English Heritage funded survey of the Goodwin Sands, Kent, it was raised by the RAF Museum in 2013. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. If I come across anything while looking at Parker, I will let you know. The date of this crash is 7 September 1940 there were a great many German aircraft shot down that day. Key Publishing Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales with Company Number 2713662. Also a Do17 at Snape Wood Wadhurst 6/10/40. regards Alan. Thanks for your two messages. There was also a Tempest and a Typhoon crashing at Netherfield. Dont suppose you know when in the war it came down? One member of the crew bailed out over Alfriston, his parachute failed to open, and he hit the hill above Cradle Valley. Would love to spend some time in Kent and Sussex again, so much if interest down there for middle-aged anoraks like me. My website will show more about Schmitter and his BF. Mustve thought I was trying to sell something. There is a photo which may help if your dad says this sounds right. To me That is by far the spookiest feeling I have ever experienced, Standing beside the very engine that had buried itself and its pilot into the field just yards from my Mother all those years earlier. There is a small photo of the RAF navigator by the Mosquito at West Malling and one of the excavation in 1976 with the now retired navigator proudly displaying a prop unearthed. Hi. But please do give me a reminder if you havent heard from me one way or the other by mid-Feb! A very flat meandering plain with the requisite pillboxes and dragons teeth it was a potential landing site for a German Invasion as armour would be able to move inland. Before I knew anything about it sadly. Part of the Alfred Newton and Sons collection. WebIn Kent, over 600 terrestrial wrecks have been recorded and over 300 offshore. 
Quite a bit of post WWII evidence now long gone. Anyone interested in this story can find the pictures and info on pages 614 616 and 617 of the (Battle of Britain then and now book) Also a photo of the wreckage and photo of pilot. Thank you for that info. Hi John, interesting memoir, where was this, where is Mount Field? I found a reference which seemed to match what you are looking for but then realised it is a piece written by you some years ago in a local newspaper! All five crewmen were killed and now lie in the Cannock Chase German cemetery. Using an old browser means that some parts of our website might not work correctly. The last raid was a V2 Crash site of German Heinkel bomber from the 6th Staffel KG55 (greif) shot down by a Defiant night fighter from 96 Squadron RAF Wrexham night 7/8 5/1941 whilst raiding Liverpool.. Thats so kind of you its a story that has always fascinated me! I know there is a grave for a German in the local churchyard and assume he was one of the crew. Let me know if theres anything you need from Parkers book, I will have a look at another couple of resources but it does sound like you have the story of S9+AB sewn up apart from the location? All the best. Let me know if you recall any other detail? For interest Andy Saunders is doing a talk on oddities of the Battle of Britain this month with the Lewes Military History Soc. One crewman, wireless op Gefr Adolf Wibel was found dead some distance away at Grandturzel Farm, Burwash (TN19 7DE), it was his parachute that had been damaged. WebList of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft include all types of accident and incident, including mechanical failures, pilot error and military action. Both my parents came from East Sussex farming families. Ill cut and paste your reply into a cuttings file for further research later. Dad speaks about the mudflats being dangerous and needing a guide (especially in fog or at night) and things like there being an old seawall & polder (?Canol ffordd Y Cob Porthmadog the Cob and Traeth Mawr, perhaps), a river (?Afon Dwyryd) and a railway line in this area that was used by Spitfires as a navigational aid for nearby gunnery practice schoolkids then collecting the expended ammunition cases into belts for a bounty from the MoD. It would be good if this is your aircraft as there are a lot of photos of it on the ground, even some cine footage in existence. Hi Ken, Eventually, they had a Morrison shelter. Eastbourne and surrounding area have witnessed considerable development since the days I lived there. Thanks also for giving this some thought Simon. Cause: From 1942 to 1945, U.S. forces ferried supplies to Chinese troops via the treacherous route through the Himalayas Happily most people just take photos. His ME 109 was engaged by RAF planes over the Thames and damaged badly, From what happened after that encounter we can only guess that the pilot was trying to control his stricken plane but lost control and plummeted to the ground in front of my mother At Hurst Farm Chilham Kent. After the war one of the german crew memebers returned to view the site, I belive the dead crew memeber could have been buried at Hailsham and reburied after the war but not sure. There may well have been other German aircraft crash at other times in Nottingham, perhaps in circumstances described by your father, and although not recorded by Needham they may be documented somewhere in Parker. Hope this helps a bit .Keith Williams. One evening, he was cycling near what is now the Plough Inn at Plumpton Green and was strafed by a German fighter fortunately he recognised the sound and dived into the hedge. He was very young my mother thought just a teenager and very frightened. Zimmermann, which crashed near Lydd in Kent on 27 October 1940. Theres a link here with a comment which refers to someone going along the day afterwards to look at the remains on the beach. There is a reference on a mesage board from 2006 which says The remains of Gerhard Ruger were disposed of by local troops and received no formal burial, the burial site being unmarked and unrecorded. One was a crash landing at Knowle Farm Mayfield (as mentioned by Simon), Bf109 Wn1394, 09 September 1940. There was a coastguard cottage on the west bank of Cuckmere Haven and Observer Corps posts to the east on the Downs, overlooking the Channel and the raiders seem to have flown parallel to the Seven Sisters as they made their way to what surely must have been their starting point for the final leg to Kenley, roughly north of Cuckmere Haven. Hi Paul, link, Photo of Ofw Herman Platt who died near Litlington when his parachute failed to open, Map showing the golf course, Rathfinny Farm and Litlington. Thanks Ian, yep Keep it Uryens catches a few people out. It states it was shot down on the night of 8/9th Nov 1943 by an RAF nightfighter Mosquito from 85 Sqdn crewed by Sqdn Ldr Bill Maguire & Fg. I was told exactly where it crashed but that was over 25yrs ago & I was in a pub at the time lol. Hi Paul Marshall, Hi Simon, not been to Sussex alas, at least not looking for air crash sites. I note you said you went there on you bicycle and found a few bits of twisted metal. It was probably aluminum because we were able to lift and turn it over, but it was too big for us to cart away if we had wanted to for examination by experts. I'm trying to make a list of places to visit before i go on Holiday. Dont know what type of plane it was or if is connected to the aircraft panel you purchased. The crew had taken off from Laon aerodrome In France at approximately 09.40hrs, and had been briefed to attack Reading. 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He was temporarily released back to the family farm and joined the Home Guard. Thats pretty amazing youve gotten a chance to get to the crash site. Following a collision with Pilot-Officer Stephenson of 607 Squadron. A couple of years ago I went back for a flying visit and couldnt recognise any of it. I refuse to accept they would not have been buried without due regard, and the 4 unidentified ones were buried in Chartham the next day. Quite a few bits and pieces of chewed up metal were sold on a few auction sites a few years ago claiming to be relics from this crash. my Father has a photo of himself standing on the tail of that aircraft as well. Ian. I would love to see some pics of it. One of the photos is of a Spitfire on the ground at Kenley and another is of the bombers departing, again parallel to the Seven Sisters. WebBy: kev35 - 4th September 2008 at 11:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00 The Protection of Military remains Act clearly states that: A person contravenes this A group of US veterans is digging up a field where a bomber crashed during World War Two, killing several American crew members. However, I am not as familiar with that area as you both are, so you may rule it out immediately? Peter wanting to confirm his kill, followed after the Heinkel as it descended, and watched as the pilot struggled to regain control of his aircraft. Yes, there must have been a crowd of souvenir hunters on the first day. Have you tried Pat Burgesss Bombers over Sussex? I will dig them out and see if mention of the 410 was made. I have spoken to the daughter of the Revd Chittenden who was Rector here during and after the war, and she remembers something about some German airmen being buried here. When the pilot clambered out of the wrecked aircraft, the farmhands rushed at him with pitchforks and when he started to play with the farmers black lab, the farmers wife, Mrs Shelmerdine called the dog away. The family still have the parachute handle given to my aunt at the time. I would like to see the book you mention. So, I just started looking at the books I have and realised it would be a mammoth task for me as not all Werk numbers are identified in the entries for crashed aircraft. The original CCJS had been destroyed by firebombs and the Fire Brigade HQ was also destroyed. Being able to search for the pilot by name saved me searching through lots of books and studying maps. Fatally disabled and with no landing gear deployed the Heinkel and Spitfire passed low over the heads of spectators standing on Salisbury Street, in Shotton, Deeside. It must have belly-anded somewhere south of Winchester and was probably a prototype that flew from Supermarines at Eastleigh airport near Southampton. The other belonged to Fw Richter who could not find anyone to surrender to, having caught up in a tree as he landed. May 42; explains why I didnt see it, I only have Volumes 1 8 at present, need to update my library. The fuselage of the Dornier 17 discovered during an English Heritage funded survey of the Goodwin Sands, Kent, it was raised by the RAF Museum in 2013. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. If I come across anything while looking at Parker, I will let you know. The date of this crash is 7 September 1940 there were a great many German aircraft shot down that day. Key Publishing Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales with Company Number 2713662. Also a Do17 at Snape Wood Wadhurst 6/10/40. regards Alan. Thanks for your two messages. There was also a Tempest and a Typhoon crashing at Netherfield. Dont suppose you know when in the war it came down? One member of the crew bailed out over Alfriston, his parachute failed to open, and he hit the hill above Cradle Valley. Would love to spend some time in Kent and Sussex again, so much if interest down there for middle-aged anoraks like me. My website will show more about Schmitter and his BF. Mustve thought I was trying to sell something. There is a photo which may help if your dad says this sounds right. To me That is by far the spookiest feeling I have ever experienced, Standing beside the very engine that had buried itself and its pilot into the field just yards from my Mother all those years earlier. There is a small photo of the RAF navigator by the Mosquito at West Malling and one of the excavation in 1976 with the now retired navigator proudly displaying a prop unearthed. Hi. But please do give me a reminder if you havent heard from me one way or the other by mid-Feb! A very flat meandering plain with the requisite pillboxes and dragons teeth it was a potential landing site for a German Invasion as armour would be able to move inland. Before I knew anything about it sadly. Part of the Alfred Newton and Sons collection. WebIn Kent, over 600 terrestrial wrecks have been recorded and over 300 offshore. Quite a bit of post WWII evidence now long gone. Anyone interested in this story can find the pictures and info on pages 614 616 and 617 of the (Battle of Britain then and now book) Also a photo of the wreckage and photo of pilot. Thank you for that info. Hi John, interesting memoir, where was this, where is Mount Field? I found a reference which seemed to match what you are looking for but then realised it is a piece written by you some years ago in a local newspaper! All five crewmen were killed and now lie in the Cannock Chase German cemetery. Using an old browser means that some parts of our website might not work correctly. The last raid was a V2 Crash site of German Heinkel bomber from the 6th Staffel KG55 (greif) shot down by a Defiant night fighter from 96 Squadron RAF Wrexham night 7/8 5/1941 whilst raiding Liverpool.. Thats so kind of you its a story that has always fascinated me! I know there is a grave for a German in the local churchyard and assume he was one of the crew. Let me know if theres anything you need from Parkers book, I will have a look at another couple of resources but it does sound like you have the story of S9+AB sewn up apart from the location? All the best. Let me know if you recall any other detail? For interest Andy Saunders is doing a talk on oddities of the Battle of Britain this month with the Lewes Military History Soc. One crewman, wireless op Gefr Adolf Wibel was found dead some distance away at Grandturzel Farm, Burwash (TN19 7DE), it was his parachute that had been damaged. WebList of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft include all types of accident and incident, including mechanical failures, pilot error and military action. Both my parents came from East Sussex farming families. Ill cut and paste your reply into a cuttings file for further research later. Dad speaks about the mudflats being dangerous and needing a guide (especially in fog or at night) and things like there being an old seawall & polder (?Canol ffordd Y Cob Porthmadog the Cob and Traeth Mawr, perhaps), a river (?Afon Dwyryd) and a railway line in this area that was used by Spitfires as a navigational aid for nearby gunnery practice schoolkids then collecting the expended ammunition cases into belts for a bounty from the MoD. It would be good if this is your aircraft as there are a lot of photos of it on the ground, even some cine footage in existence. Hi Ken, Eventually, they had a Morrison shelter. Eastbourne and surrounding area have witnessed considerable development since the days I lived there. Thanks also for giving this some thought Simon. Cause: From 1942 to 1945, U.S. forces ferried supplies to Chinese troops via the treacherous route through the Himalayas Happily most people just take photos. His ME 109 was engaged by RAF planes over the Thames and damaged badly, From what happened after that encounter we can only guess that the pilot was trying to control his stricken plane but lost control and plummeted to the ground in front of my mother At Hurst Farm Chilham Kent. After the war one of the german crew memebers returned to view the site, I belive the dead crew memeber could have been buried at Hailsham and reburied after the war but not sure. There may well have been other German aircraft crash at other times in Nottingham, perhaps in circumstances described by your father, and although not recorded by Needham they may be documented somewhere in Parker. Hope this helps a bit .Keith Williams. One evening, he was cycling near what is now the Plough Inn at Plumpton Green and was strafed by a German fighter fortunately he recognised the sound and dived into the hedge. He was very young my mother thought just a teenager and very frightened. Zimmermann, which crashed near Lydd in Kent on 27 October 1940. Theres a link here with a comment which refers to someone going along the day afterwards to look at the remains on the beach. There is a reference on a mesage board from 2006 which says The remains of Gerhard Ruger were disposed of by local troops and received no formal burial, the burial site being unmarked and unrecorded. One was a crash landing at Knowle Farm Mayfield (as mentioned by Simon), Bf109 Wn1394, 09 September 1940. There was a coastguard cottage on the west bank of Cuckmere Haven and Observer Corps posts to the east on the Downs, overlooking the Channel and the raiders seem to have flown parallel to the Seven Sisters as they made their way to what surely must have been their starting point for the final leg to Kenley, roughly north of Cuckmere Haven. Hi Paul, link, Photo of Ofw Herman Platt who died near Litlington when his parachute failed to open, Map showing the golf course, Rathfinny Farm and Litlington. Thanks Ian, yep Keep it Uryens catches a few people out. It states it was shot down on the night of 8/9th Nov 1943 by an RAF nightfighter Mosquito from 85 Sqdn crewed by Sqdn Ldr Bill Maguire & Fg. I was told exactly where it crashed but that was over 25yrs ago & I was in a pub at the time lol. Hi Paul Marshall, Hi Simon, not been to Sussex alas, at least not looking for air crash sites. I note you said you went there on you bicycle and found a few bits of twisted metal. It was probably aluminum because we were able to lift and turn it over, but it was too big for us to cart away if we had wanted to for examination by experts. I'm trying to make a list of places to visit before i go on Holiday. Dont know what type of plane it was or if is connected to the aircraft panel you purchased. The crew had taken off from Laon aerodrome In France at approximately 09.40hrs, and had been briefed to attack Reading. Pilots Hallings-Pott and McLean approached unseen and attacked first but caused only minor damage to the Heinkel. Itd go down well with me! H. Schmid If you know about a wartime American crash site, its location, type of aircraft, or personnel involved please share this information with the American Air Museum. I wish I had asked more when I had the chance! 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